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« on: March 14, 2010, 10:47:00 AM »
Hej lidt om dæk eller meget ? mvh spider  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yamaha V-Max

Rim    Stock Size
Front    2.15 x 18    110/90V18
Rear    3.50 x 15    150/90V15
Manufacturers' Recommendations
Manufacturer    Front    size    Rear    size
Avon    
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Bridgestone    G525    110/90V18    G526    150/90V15

Dunlop    F20 (OE)    110/90V18    K525 (OE)    150/90V15
   K591 Elite SP    110/90V18    K591 Elite SP    150/90V15

Metzeler    ME 33 Laser    110/90V18    Marathon ML2    150/90VB15

Michelin    Macadam 50    110/90V18    Macadam 50    150/90V15

Pirelli    
No Fitment
Martyn's Opinion
General Comments
The V-Max is capable of putting serious demands on the tyres.  Be careful what you pick, and consider seriously whether what you put on there is up to the style of riding that you do.
The Safe Bet, General Purpose

Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Michelin    Macadam 50    110/90V-18    

Rear    Michelin    Macadam 50    150/90V-15    

This one's really hard to call.  The V-Max puts such demands on the tyres that it's hard to pick out one pair that works for everything.  Still, this is one case where the Michelin Macadam 50 is known to work, and as a compromise tyre that's a pretty good choice.

Is it a Safe Bet, though?  I'd say so.  It's hard to use the words "conservative choice" in the same thought as "V-Max," but the Michelins are a good compromise, and a good compromise is usually a conservative choice.
Touring
Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Avon    Roadrunner AM20    110/90H-18    

Rear    Avon    Elan II HL30    150/90HB15    

Basically there are two combinations to choose from here -- the Metzeler ME-33/ML2 Plus, and the Avon Roadrunner/Elan II.  Each has advantages and disadvantages, and it's hard to pick one over the other. Despite the availability of Metzeler's new ME-880 for the rear, there's no corresponding front, and as yet I don't have enough information to be certain it will work with a more traditional tyre on the front.

Still, for serious distance work, I'd pick the Avon Roadrunner AM20 front and Avon Elan II HL30 rear.  If all you do is distance work, those might be better for you.  The Elan rear has the highest load rating of any tyre, and turns in good touring performance and high mileage even on the most demanding machines. The Roadrunner is a good match, with superb highway stability -- even better on grooved-pavement than the revered ME-33.

The disadvantage of the Avons is that at higher lean angles under heavy load, the outermost row of tread blocks on the Roadrunner front tend to deform, causing heat buildup and a more squirrelly feel. Whether you'll experience this with your cornering technique and the lean angles you use is something you'll have to find out for yourself.  If you do run into this, though, consider running a Super Venom AM20 with the Elan rear -- you'll see more front wear, but you'll get the stability of the AM20 combined with excellent grip.

The Metzeler advantage is basically their reputation.  It's hard to go wrong with Metzelers.  In this case, though, the ML2 is their high-load tyre, and while it'll certainly work on this bike, it's so easy to break loose under power that it requires a careful hand on the throttle.  The ME-33 on the front is a classic, too, but while it handles lean angle well, it does tend to slide easily until it's warmed up, and traction falls off out of proportion to the tread wear.

There's no doubt that if you're doing heavy touring, either the Metzelers or Avons will last well and handle any load you care to carry.  My advice here is to try them both and see which you prefer.
A Tight Budget
Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Dunlop    K591 Sport Touring    110/90V-18    

Rear    Dunlop    K591 Sport Touring    150/90V-15    

With a drop in price of the Dunlops, the venerable Bridgestone SE11 is ousted from this category. Although the K591 is not a terrifically long-lasting tyre, it is nevertheless perfectly capable of handling the abilities of the V-Max, and the price makes it excellent value.
Sport-Touring
Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Avon    Super Venom AM20    110/90V-18    

Rear    Dunlop    K591 Sport Touring    150/90V-15    

Sport-Touring is a difficult choice for the V-Max.  Sport-riding requires a sticky tyre, but the demands of the V-Max wear those out very rapidly.  So while it's easy enough to select a front -- the excellent Avon Super Venom -- the rear is a tougher choice.  The Super Venom AM18 rear just does not last long enough for touring.  The current price of the Dunlop K591 is so low, though, that you can go through two of them for the price of a Super Venom.  While indeed you could match a pair of 591's, I'm sufficiently convinced of the benefits of the Avon (and its ability to work with almost any rear) to select a mixed combination here.
Sport-Riding
Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Avon    Super Venom AM20    110/90V-18    

Rear    Avon    Super Venom AM18    150/90V-15    

The Avon Super Venom is a classic bias-ply sport tyre, and provides excellent traction combined with superb highway stability.  Although the Dunlop K591 is more well-known, I definitely prefer the Avons. You won't get high mileage out of them, but they will stick very well indeed, and for sport-riding on the V-Max you won't find a better tyre.
Martyn's Choice
Brand    Model    Size    MAW
Front    Avon    Super Venom AM20    110/90V-18    

Rear    Dunlop    K591 Sport Touring    150/90V-15    

I'll go for the hybrid Sport-Touring choice.

The Full List
(from MAW and manufacturer web pages)
Exact matched pairs
Brand    Front    size    MAW    Rear    size    MAW
Avon    Roadrunner AM20    110/90H-18    Elan II HL30    150/90HB15    

   Super Venom AM18    110/90V-18        Super Venom AM18    150/90V-15    

   Super Venom AM20    110/90V-18        Super Venom AM18    150/90V-15    

Bridgestone    SE11    110/90H-18       SE11    150/90H-15    

Continental    Blitz TKH-23    110/90H-18       Blitz TKH-24    150/90H-15    

Dunlop    F11    110/90H-18       K627    150/90H-15    
   K591 Sport Touring    110/90V-18        K591 Sport Touring    150/90V-15    

IRC           Durotour RS-310    110/90H-18       Durotour RS-310    150/90H-15    

Metzeler    ME-33 Laser    110/90V-18       ML2 Plus    150/90HB15    

           ME-33 Laser    110/90H-18       ME-88 Marathon    150/90HB15    
Michelin    Macadam 50    110/90V-18       150/90V-15    

Listing by Manufacturer
Avon
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match
AV27    110/80HR18T        
         
AV27    110/80ZR18    
         
Azaro AV35    110/80ZR18          
           Elan II HL30    150/90HB15    

Roadrunner AM20    110/90H-18    
            
Super Venom AM18    110/90V-18    
            
Super Venom AM20    110/90V-18 Super Venom AM18    150/90V-15    

Bridgestone
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match

BT17 Sports Mileage    110/90V-18    
            
BT45 Sports Mileage    110/90V-18    
            
BT54 Sports Touring     110/80ZR18    
         
SE11    110/90H-18    SE11    150/90H-15    
            SE27    MV85H-15       short
Continental
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match

Blitz TKH-23    110/90H-18       Blitz TKH-24    150/90H-15    

            Milestone CM2    150/90H-15    
            Tour TK-17    150/90H-15    
Dunlop
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match

            Cruisemax    150/90--15    
D205 Sport/Touring    110/80ZR18       
   
F11    110/90H-18       K627    150/90H-15    

            K491 Elite II Touring    MV85HB15    
K505    110/80H-18             
K591 Sport Touring    110/90V-18       K591 Sport Touring    150/90V-15    
IRC
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match

Durotour RS-310    110/90H-18       Durotour RS-310    150/90H-15    

            Durotour RS-410    150/90H-15    

            Road Winner RW-010    150/90HX15    

            Wildflare WF-920    150/90H-15
   
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match
ME-33 Laser    110/90H-18           ME-88 Marathon    150/90HB15       
ME-33 Laser    110/90V-18                
            ME-880 Marathon    150/90HB15    
ME-Z1    110/80ZR18             
ME-Z2    110/80ZR18          
ME-Z4    110/80ZR18             
            ML2 Plus    150/90HB15    
            ML2 Plus    150/90VB15       
Michelin
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match
            Hi-Tour 79    150/90H-15    

Macadam 50    110/90V-18    
Macadam 50    150/90V-15    

Macadam 90X    110/80ZR18    

         
Pirelli
Front    size    MAW    match    Rear    size    MAW    match

Dragon GT MTR03    110/80ZR18    
         
Dragon GTS MTR23    110/80ZR18    

         
Match MT09    110/90V-18    
            
MT75    110/80H-18       short             
            Route 66 MT66    150/90H-15    

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« Last Edit: March 14, 2010, 10:48:54 AM by Spidermax »

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 11:02:14 PM »
Hvis der er nogen der har brug for en dækberegner, har jeg lavet en i excel.
Jeg har forsøgt at lægge den ind på forsiden under Tech info, men min FTP server er lidt forkølet fortiden.

Send mig en mail, hvis i skal bruge den, så sender jeg filen til jer.

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4 hjul er 2 for mange og 2 cylinder er 2 for lidt!

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 06:58:32 PM »
Hvaaa Spider kunne du ikke havde fundet nogle flere detaljer...................

Forøvrigt så har jeg igen set et AVRON fordæk som er "Faldet" fra hinanden, denne gang på V-Bamsens Max, det er ufatteligt hvad Kineserne laverde, skulle ikke have lov at sælge sådan noget lordt i Europa ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 10:18:37 PM »
nå i kloge hoveder.

hvad profil skal man så have hvis man gerne vil have 130 for på en 17" fælg. ??? og det skal ikke skrabe på forskærmen.  ;) ;)
MAX er godt VMAX er bedre!

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 10:47:41 PM »
Jeg har sendt dig følgende mail.

Hej CJ

Hvad der skal til for at det ikke skraber på forskærmen ved jeg ikke lige, men du kan lave nogle beregninger med den vedhæftede beregner.

Indtast data på standard fordækket og data på det dæk du ønsker at skifte til, så kan du se om rulleomkredsen passer, den må ikke afvige mere end +/- 5 %.
Derefter kan du også se højden på dæksider - også er det bare fælg diameter divideret med 2 + højden på dæksiden, så har du målet der vil være fra center af navet til top af dæk.

Nemt ikk.

h
Hilsen Soltau

Ps. der er 2 beregnere i samme ark, du skal bruge den med grå baggrund for at kunne se højden på dæksiden.
4 hjul er 2 for mange og 2 cylinder er 2 for lidt!

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 02:34:47 PM »
hej ja hvor svært kan det være mal den sort  ps det fattet jeg en skid af det soltau skrev :D :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 09:55:29 PM »
Jeg tror også jeg sender den til Spider, bare for en god ordens skyld.......

Hvis der skal en uddybende forklaring med kan du jo lige ringe, så skal jeg guide dig igennem.
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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4 hjul er 2 for mange og 2 cylinder er 2 for lidt!